Turbocharged Coyote/6R80 Swap, Build/Discussion Thread, Pics, info inside! [Archive] - Page 2 (2023)

96gt4.6

08-15-2015, 02:58 PM

Easy-cheesey! Wiring over 60% done. More to come soon.

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150815_165616_zpsrkb1a17z.jp g

BigM460

08-15-2015, 04:59 PM

walt460

08-17-2015, 06:21 AM

96gt4.6

08-17-2015, 06:45 AM

We are literally on the verge of finding out.

The ECU reads/writes, and is up and running.

All trans parameters display, all bi-directional controls operational.

I need to finish up a few small things on the engine before we try a test fire. It's close!

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150816_180039_zpsujbqkydm.jp g

8UWITH6

08-17-2015, 07:57 AM

lji372

08-17-2015, 08:44 AM

myrodr

08-17-2015, 01:40 PM

CWright

08-17-2015, 01:55 PM

chubby going on over here........

What Jerry is trying to say is, Do you want that Bone in or Bone out! :D

I can't wait to see how it turns out. Good luck buddy! :beer:

Drewstang

08-17-2015, 02:22 PM

96gt4.6

08-17-2015, 06:04 PM

Update!!!!

I'll start off by saying the HP Tuners bypass was not successful :(. On these newer ECU's the starting system is controlled by the PCM (if you so wish to wire it that way, which I did). All you have to do is bump the key to start and the ECU takes over cranking for you until the engine starts. BUT, this ONLY occurs if the PATS system has sent the OK signal to the ECU, OR the PATS is entirely disabled.

When I got the wiring done, I tried to crank the car, nothing. Double checked all my wiring/inputs, all good. Got out my personal dealer-level scan tool, checked all the enabler parameters. Everything was a go, trans range sensor, start input request from the ignition key, ect. EXCEPT one thing....the PATS was keeping the vehicle from starting.....total bummer!

Here's the screenshot showing the ECU data and confirming it's disabled:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Screenshot_2015-08-17-19-51-34_zpsecljzoft.jpg

Unless that little box says enabled, there will be no crank, no spark, period.

Now, in the beginning I was informed this was experimental on HP Tuners behalf, so I am IN NO WAY UPSET, I just wanted to let that be known, it could have went either way and that was entirely conveyed to me in the beginning.

So, as I had stated in the beginning, I had a backup plan, two actually.

The second was to send the ECU to Lund Racing, whom have done multiple ECU's and confirmed they can indeed delete the EPATS. However, I was quoted $500 as that service is only done via a Tune with it.

Ok, no biggie, that's pennies on the $$ when doing this type of work.

However, I had a final solution that I personally had thought of in the beginning that would work as a last resort, and it cost me $35, Although I have to write the performance tune for the car, which is fine by me as having someone tune it learns you nothing in the end, and any time you make changes you're stuck sending the ECU off, as well as never really knowing what's going on under the hood, and/or if problems crop up, you're at the tuner's mercy.

This video is quick and crude, as I have to fabricate the trans cooler lines (hence the gurgling in the end into my pan on the shop floor).

So, without further delay, I give you what I believe to be the World's First, Coyote, 6R80, Salvage Pullout with stock F150 wiring harness converted standalone, swapped Marauder, 8-17-15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSvTNAOZMtU

Running/idiling videos to come soon. After I get the rest of the small plumbing done, you'll also be in store for some hairy burnout videos, if this pig will even do one ;)

Thank you all for the support thus far. This thing is just beginning, I am already starting the layout for the Hairdryer and 2nd phase of the project, after she's up/running and made a few passes all motor/all stock.

Blue Oval 4 Life!

camelgrundle

08-17-2015, 06:19 PM

blkZooM

08-17-2015, 06:42 PM

Niceee

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Bad_S55

08-17-2015, 06:46 PM

Turbov6Bryan

08-17-2015, 07:08 PM

Awesome work man, glad you figured out how to get it running:)

Tell us what you spent the 35.00 on to get it running, man that's great.

96gt4.6

08-17-2015, 07:19 PM

After it's on the road, and all functions are without question verified, I will divulge more information about my bypass solution.

I can assure those watching, that the ECU functions entirely stock at this time, all trans functions, parameters, datastream function normally. Essentially, it thinks it's an F150 still. The Bypass altered nothing on that aspect. Stock/dealer scan tools function, display and work fine as well as tuning.

But, I don't want to let the cat out of the bag until i'm for certain. However, at this time, being as the enabler status gives the all clear, she's pretty much good to go from a technician standpoint. There is no reason it won't function.

Drewstang

08-17-2015, 07:31 PM

myrodr

08-17-2015, 07:41 PM

MMBLUE

08-17-2015, 07:53 PM

Very nice work !

You Sir, have broke new ground :bows::bows:

jaydees

08-17-2015, 08:02 PM

Congrats!

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gdmjoe

08-17-2015, 08:04 PM

MarauderMatt200

08-17-2015, 08:29 PM

Marauderjack

08-18-2015, 02:32 AM

justbob

08-18-2015, 04:07 AM

I remember having this kind of speed and determination! I lost it somewhere though..

Builder Of Badassery

Drewstang

08-18-2015, 05:13 AM

I remember having this kind of speed and determination! I lost it somewhere though..

Builder Of Badassery

Old age will do that to you. :flamer:

96gt4.6

08-18-2015, 05:59 AM

Bravo sir, BRAVO!!! Im crying lol

lol. You and me both!

over 12k views and climbing on this thread, insane!

BeanSS

08-18-2015, 08:03 AM

Fastbob

08-18-2015, 08:04 AM

Update!!!!

I'll start off by saying the HP Tuners bypass was not successful :(. On these newer ECU's the starting system is controlled by the PCM (if you so wish to wire it that way, which I did). All you have to do is bump the key to start and the ECU takes over cranking for you until the engine starts. BUT, this ONLY occurs if the PATS system has sent the OK signal to the ECU, OR the PATS is entirely disabled.

When I got the wiring done, I tried to crank the car, nothing. Double checked all my wiring/inputs, all good. Got out my personal dealer-level scan tool, checked all the enabler parameters. Everything was a go, trans range sensor, start input request from the ignition key, ect. EXCEPT one thing....the PATS was keeping the vehicle from starting.....total bummer!

Here's the screenshot showing the ECU data and confirming it's disabled:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Screenshot_2015-08-17-19-51-34_zpsecljzoft.jpg

Unless that little box says enabled, there will be no crank, no spark, period.

Now, in the beginning I was informed this was experimental on HP Tuners behalf, so I am IN NO WAY UPSET, I just wanted to let that be known, it could have went either way and that was entirely conveyed to me in the beginning.

So, as I had stated in the beginning, I had a backup plan, two actually.

The second was to send the ECU to Lund Racing, whom have done multiple ECU's and confirmed they can indeed delete the EPATS. However, I was quoted $500 as that service is only done via a Tune with it.

Ok, no biggie, that's pennies on the $$ when doing this type of work.

However, I had a final solution that I personally had thought of in the beginning that would work as a last resort, and it cost me $35, Although I have to write the performance tune for the car, which is fine by me as having someone tune it learns you nothing in the end, and any time you make changes you're stuck sending the ECU off, as well as never really knowing what's going on under the hood, and/or if problems crop up, you're at the tuner's mercy.

This video is quick and crude, as I have to fabricate the trans cooler lines (hence the gurgling in the end into my pan on the shop floor).

So, without further delay, I give you what I believe to be the World's First, Coyote, 6R80, Salvage Pullout with stock F150 wiring harness converted standalone, swapped Marauder, 8-17-15:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSvTNAOZMtU

Running/idiling videos to come soon. After I get the rest of the small plumbing done, you'll also be in store for some hairy burnout videos, if this pig will even do one ;)

Thank you all for the support thus far. This thing is just beginning, I am already starting the layout for the Hairdryer and 2nd phase of the project, after she's up/running and made a few passes all motor/all stock.

Blue Oval 4 Life! Let me guess, your $35.00 solution is making a new key and marrying it to the ECU via the diagnostic machine at your work place? Great job on this project!

96gt4.6

08-18-2015, 08:15 AM

^ Close!

Although, I do have my own personal dealer level equipment that I could have fell back on for reprogramming issues, had any arised, it wasn't necessary.

I suggest if anyone wants to deal with dealer level security items, check out www.forscan.org (http://www.forscan.org) - They are adding some very cool dealer level PATS functions into that software!

My method was very simple, AND now I have reverse lamps (was controlled by the PCM and the enabler signal is transmitted onto the HS-CAN) as well as Factory Remote Start capabilities with this method.

More to come on those goodies as I progress through the wiring/integration/build. The details will emerge, but only after I'm finished.

lifespeed

08-18-2015, 09:45 AM

96gt4.6

08-18-2015, 09:48 AM

Any chance this means you have PATS working instead of disabled? Might be kind of nice given all the car thieves out there.

I have retained the factory Marauder PATS system with this setup. Technically, there are two fully functional PATS systems on the car now.

However, no modifications were necessary to any of the Marauder's hardware such as key, transponder, ect. But, the Marauder still requires the original key to start, and the PATS light on the dash still operates normally.

But, it should be noted, that the older PATS systems such as the Marauder has, are easily defeated by professional car thief's......unfortunately if they want something bad enough, they will get it.

96gt4.6

08-18-2015, 11:42 AM

Hold the phone!

HP isn't through with this baby yet. They contacted me directly and are working on a resolution :). Even though I have a solution, it would still be simpler to just have the ECU disabled. I'll keep ya updated!

TooManyFords

08-18-2015, 03:13 PM

justbob

08-18-2015, 03:26 PM

Remote F150 key under the dash trick?

Builder Of Badassery

Drewstang

08-19-2015, 04:30 AM

Remote F150 key under the dash trick?

Builder Of Badassery

Don't give away his secrets man, this is Area 51 G21 classified.

96gt4.6

08-19-2015, 06:47 PM

Got a couple quick vids of the functional gauges tonight. Still finishing up some stuff underhood and need to fabricate the exhaust, so the run time is minimal:

https://youtu.be/aKGIMyeZvVs

https://youtu.be/4wOuJ-D7yxk

I promise I'm working toward that all mighty driving video!

Driveshaft is supposed to ship this week, so we're getting close. I'm leaving on vacation in two weeks so hopefully we get it on the road before I take a short break.

Bad_S55

08-19-2015, 07:30 PM

MarauderMatt200

08-19-2015, 08:27 PM

Driveshaft is supposed to ship this week, so we're getting close. I'm leaving on vacation in two weeks so hopefully we get it on the road before I take a short break.[/QUOTE]

No sir, no vacay until one burnout on a public road is done.....:beer:

Turbov6Bryan

08-19-2015, 08:54 PM

96gt4.6

08-20-2015, 07:26 AM

Ya. Go make some 11's

lol, until there's some boost involved, I simply don't see that happening!

Any guesses on the final weight?

Car was 4200 less driver entirely stock. Both engines were Aluminum/Aluminum combo's, the only real difference would be the trans which i'm guess by how my back was screaming picking both up, around 50 lbs difference give/take.

E/T estimates, at my altitude i'm thinking mid/high 13's at 101-105 MPH. I'm hoping that the stock Marauder exhuast won't hinder the performance very much as i'm going through the stock mufflers and cat-back as of now. I will come back and re-work the back section with better flowing mufflers at a later date. Right now, it's all about finishing it out and getting it on the road to see what the final build tally will be, get some passes and hit 1 major car show I go to each year, then begin phase 2 and re-work some things.

So, initially, this will be literally the difference between a stock Marauder 4.6, and a stock F150 Coyote/Mustang converted less the CR, tune and no cats/adding a 6 speed auto.

Previous best was 15.4@91 MPH if I recall but i'd need to dig the slip.

Boogity Boogity Boogity boys it's almost that time!

96gt4.6

08-20-2015, 08:28 AM

For those wanting to know how I keep the stock gauges, MIL and Speedometer, here's what I use:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/dak-sta-1000

Yes, the Coyote can output a Tach signal factory, but you have no way of getting MIL status or speedometer, this box addresses both, for under $100. I add in a second DLC and stash it all neatly under the dash panel. Now, all speedometer corrections are done in the tune, no need to ever find a conversion box and flip switches when you change tires/ect.

Turbov6Bryan

08-20-2015, 08:41 AM

My mustang is a premium, went 12.7 stock at 112. Tune and x pipe 12.0 at 116 all on factory perelli 245/45/19s
She's about 3550 or more w/o me

Depending on the DA, I'd say your about right

13.45 at 104 with DA at 2100. :)

8UWITH6

08-20-2015, 08:17 PM

walt460

08-21-2015, 09:58 AM

96gt4.6

08-21-2015, 12:48 PM

Did HP Tuners get your EPATS issue fixed?

We are still working on the issue at this time. I spoke with Eric at the beginning of the week on the issue, and he is going to UPS some of HP's equipment next week out to me, so that he can remote tune the ECU via my laptop and their interface in an attempt to delete the EPATS.

Aside from road testing the car (driveshaft shipped yesterday) my bypass solution is solid as well, of course, it should be as it retains the factory equipment and PATS system.

Now that I've proven it out, here's the details:

My system simply incorporates using the stock BCM, which is the interior fuse block of the truck the motor/trans were removed from, as well as the PATS transponder antenna and 1 key from the parted out pickup. The Fuse block is small, so I simply pined out the fuse block which was 7, 18 gauge wires including the PATS antenna, power and grounds. Secured the key to the antenna and the antenna to the BCM, then located them behind some paneling in the trunk of the car.

This serves two purposes. The second being, there is no external neutral safety switch or backup lamp switch on the 6r80 trans, therefore you have no reverse lights without the BCM being involved. So now, I have the reverse lamp output hookup on the BCM to activate the reverse lights in the Marauder, keeping everything working on the car in totality.

For this to work, unless you have dealer level scan tools to reset the PATS, you need to have the PCM/BCM/PATS Antenna/Key from the same donor vehicle.

Eric @ HPT still wants to use the car for R&D at this time for their EPATS disable, so we're proceeding with that next week, it will allow me to remove the key/antenna from my BCM, but i'm still retaining the BCM at this time due to my backup lamps being necessary.

I will keep you posted on the EPATS bypass as we progress. The way it's looking, the car should be on the road by next weekend!

TooManyFords

08-21-2015, 01:48 PM

Fastbob

08-21-2015, 02:18 PM

justbob

08-21-2015, 04:27 PM

I was right. Yay for me. [emoji4]

Builder Of Badassery

96gt4.6

08-22-2015, 07:18 AM

Big thanks to all that have helped out and participated with this, it's getting very close to finally getting some seat time, and wow do I miss driving the 'ole girl!

I see StangTV has picked up the build, very nice article they wrote!

http://www.stangtv.com/news/turbocharged-coyote-5-0-liter-v8-swapped-mercury-marauder/

95ColdBird

08-23-2015, 10:53 PM

96gt4.6

08-24-2015, 06:30 AM

We are very close to the test drive!

I know this video is very short, and they have been very pointless lately...but I promise that driving video is coming! Been finishing the short list, which I've almost completed. Fabricating exhaust this week, driveshaft should be here tomorrow. If it fits properly as per my measurements, and I don't run into any issues, by Sunday evening I should have a good GoPro driving video as well as some POSSIBLE tire smoke video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQgubFjheoI

MarauderMatt200

08-24-2015, 08:09 PM

[QUOTE=96gt4.6;1462187]We are very close to the test drive!

I should have a good GoPro driving video as well as some POSSIBLE tire smoke video!

Yes tire smoke...lots of tire smoke :banana2:

walt460

08-25-2015, 07:35 AM

Congrats, can't wait for driving video!

Some local research results:

My local HP tuner, Sin City Performance in Henderson, NV, claims they can turn EPATS off with the latest Beta software release from HP. They do not need to touch the PCM, just program with Laptop via OBDII port for $200 fee.

They said they could also delete EPATS on 2011-2014 Ford PCMs with Diablo software, they have been trained on both.

However, when I asked if they had ever done it on a vehicle and validated that the process actually works, they admitted they had not.

So I have yet to actually validate that any aftermarket tuner can REALLY remove EPATS on a 2011-2014 Ford. If you do have success with HP, please be sure to share!

96gt4.6

08-26-2015, 07:29 PM

Congrats, can't wait for driving video!

Some local research results:

My local HP tuner, Sin City Performance in Henderson, NV, claims they can turn EPATS off with the latest Beta software release from HP. They do not need to touch the PCM, just program with Laptop via OBDII port for $200 fee.

They said they could also delete EPATS on 2011-2014 Ford PCMs with Diablo software, they have been trained on both.

However, when I asked if they had ever done it on a vehicle and validated that the process actually works, they admitted they had not.

So I have yet to actually validate that any aftermarket tuner can REALLY remove EPATS on a 2011-2014 Ford. If you do have success with HP, please be sure to share!

I most certainly will Walt. I was in communication with Eric@HPT last week, and he was going to work with me on getting th EPATS deleted out of mine so I could remove my workaround (in partial as I will be keeping the BCM for my reverse lights). I need to update my HP Beta software to the most recent build, as it changes daily so they may have finally got it incorporated into the scanner. LAST I knew they were working on it but didn't have that solution going yet. I will check that out this weekend when I begin road tuning!

Gentleman, we are almost there. Trans shifts (on the jacks anyhow!), starts, purrs like a kitten!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFfmd8xAy8E

Marauderjack

08-27-2015, 02:39 AM

Fastbob

08-27-2015, 05:17 AM

MMBLUE

08-27-2015, 05:44 AM

MOTOWN

08-27-2015, 08:03 AM

96gt4.6

08-27-2015, 09:55 AM

Thank you guys, and I appreciate all the help and advice so far that's been given! Great community here!

As of today, the new total on the swap is $7,319

That's all-inclusive, trans, fittings, wiring, tape, tuning license, integration hardware, fuel pump, engine, mustang cams/ect, the WHOLE ball of wax. Including, fuel for parts store trips, ect.

This will give some of you an idea of what you are up against cost wise, and bear in mind, i'm very proficient at what I do mechanically so this is assuming there is no waste (ordering parts that don't work, stuck with them, ect.).

Is it cost effective vs. modifying the stock 4v? That's debatable I suppose. However, in the end, you have a setup that can take serious power in stock form, and a 6-speed trans that can take equal power with no issues.

I think the real $$/HP will start to show when it's on boost, as technically for that price, you get a motor capable of handling big power.

Cheaper than the LS......not really when looking at my Vic build sheet vs. this one. BUT, more HP in the end, that's to be determined. I believe, it will surpass the Vic power wise lb/lb.

justbob

08-27-2015, 04:52 PM

Outstanding job man!

It looks so factory. $7,300 is peanuts for a 5.0 that will hold up under much more power than the stock block, a six speed auto (boooo [emoji14]) and a Driveshaft Shop stout shaft!

Builder Of Badassery

chief455

08-27-2015, 07:17 PM

96gt4.6

08-27-2015, 08:15 PM

Thank you guys so much for the support and kindness. When I started building stuff years ago, most of the knowledge and kindness was passed on to me, by people like yourself, and I feel that this is my way to help re pay the automotive community.

Justbob, THANK YOU for the recommendation on the driveshaft, first rate company and they do EXCELLENT work.

Walt, I did this video for you this evening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS4ojPD1B0

My plans are, as soon as I've got the car tuned, and ran a few passes down the 1320, to end this thread, and start a thread that will (hopefully) be a sticky that will be all pictures and the best write up I can do for you guys on the process.

chief455

08-27-2015, 08:27 PM

Thank you guys so much for the support and kindness. When I started building stuff years ago, most of the knowledge and kindness was passed on to me, by people like yourself, and I feel that this is my way to help re pay the automotive community.

Justbob, THANK YOU for the recommendation on the driveshaft, first rate company and they do EXCELLENT work.

Walt, I did this video for you this evening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS4ojPD1B0

My plans are, as soon as I've got the car tuned, and ran a few passes down the 1320, to end this thread, and start a thread that will (hopefully) be a sticky that will be all pictures and the best write up I can do for you guys on the process.
great, thanks!
yeah, that justbob contributes to the site now and then....;) and some guy named Zack I've heard of...., some Jerry guy made some parts I think, but no Coyote swaps :eek:

Fastbob

08-28-2015, 04:29 AM

walt460

08-28-2015, 06:08 AM

"Walt, I did this video for you this evening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS4ojPD1B0 " (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS4ojPD1B0)

Thanks! I am going to visit my local HP TUNERS Dealer and see if they will give me a demo on how they were trained to turn EPATS off. I will pass on what I learn.

8UWITH6

08-28-2015, 06:19 AM

96gt4.6

08-28-2015, 06:19 AM

96gt4.6

08-28-2015, 06:35 AM

Well I guess if my 2014 Lincoln MKZ 3.7 AWD needs work it will be going to Marmies in Great Bend, Kansas and I will be suggesting strongly which technician works on it.

Absolutely! We're here to help with anything you may need. PM me if you ever are needing any work and i'll be more than happy to get with you personally to set it up sir.

If you are ever in Kansas City you can stop by and leave that thing at my house ;). Congratulations on this project. Your build is a topic of discussion among lots of my KC buddies lately. Can't wait for boost!

Thanks man! I'm soooo ready to drive her again. We're so close! Should be some videos this weekend, i'm charging the GoPro. Provided there are no real issues, she should be out and about starting on the tuning finally. Got a few friends up that direction, love those guys! Can't wait to get up and see everyone! MAYBE this will finally be the year I keep a project long enough to make the KC2K events!

Vortech347

08-28-2015, 01:53 PM

96gt4.6

08-28-2015, 02:42 PM

Man card earned.

haha, awesome!

One of my friends found this on Craigslist:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/5192312446.html

I believe he ran the car recently, at our altitude it ran mid/high 13's @ 105.

Interesting!

Turbov6Bryan

08-28-2015, 03:04 PM

How does he start his Vic?

Come to KC sometime n hang out!

96gt4.6

08-28-2015, 03:06 PM

How does he start his Vic?

Come to KC sometime n hang out!

His is a Manual trans with the Ford Racing Control Pack. If Ford, had made that setup to support an Automatic, it would be a much easier solution! At this time, the only way to use an Auto is have Lund Racing, SCT or do the workaround I did to get the 6R80 Automatic.

Looks like a Marauder party up there! That's cool!

chief455

08-28-2015, 05:22 PM

haha, awesome!

One of my friends found this on Craigslist:

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/5192312446.html

I believe he ran the car recently, at our altitude it ran mid/high 13's @ 105.

Interesting!
thar car looks like the one posted on Youtube in this thread:
http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=98520

I had hopes he would finish the details, but it still looks like a hot mess under the hood :shake:

thankfully, your swap shows it CAN be done, with a professional quality outcome...

96gt4.6

08-28-2015, 05:49 PM

That is the same car.

I agree, it would be cool to see the project to completion, but sometimes the cards don't fall that way, I myself am guilty on a few projects.

I consider him a trailblazer on the subject, and with that comes unforseen expense and obstacles. He would have probably started on the project months before I ever began on mine by the looks of it.

I'm sure if given time, he'll get her all tidied up :). I commend him for his boldness into doing what nobody else had at the time :).

I believe the car ran mid/high 13's by his comments on my YouTube video's. I'm hoping for the same, that would be great all motor, all stock!

chief455

08-28-2015, 06:48 PM

That is the same car.

I agree, it would be cool to see the project to completion, but sometimes the cards don't fall that way, I myself am guilty on a few projects.

I consider him a trailblazer on the subject, and with that comes unforseen expense and obstacles. He would have probably stared on the project months before I ever began on mine by the looks of it.

I'm sure if given time, he'll get her all tidied up :). I commend him for his boldness into doing what nobody else had at the time :).

I believe the car ran mid/high 13's by his comments on my YouTube video's. I'm hoping for the same, that would be great all motor, all stock!
I commended his forward thinking and achievement as well in that thread.
chosing to sell before detailed - bet he has a new project in mind!
13's = yup, then boostability and a great auto trans. Can't wait to see yours progress.

96gt4.6

08-29-2015, 01:33 PM

Success! Many more videos to come. Stock F150 tune and she's a beast!

Here was the car, bone stock:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLz5MLyOugs

Annnnd just now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5NUBDek9hM

Starting on the tuning now. The stock F150 tune is setup for the low end/mid range of the stock cams, with shift points at 5800...lol. Stock Mustang shift points are 6800, you can just feel it coming into the power, then it's gear change time!

It's about to get REAL fun up in here!

MarauderMatt200

08-29-2015, 01:39 PM

myrodr

08-29-2015, 01:57 PM

BigM460

08-29-2015, 02:46 PM

96gt4.6

08-30-2015, 01:41 PM

Still making progress.....but the tuning is a learning curve for me. Spent a bit of today calibrating the speedometer and starting on the trans shift tuning. I haven't got a real good GoPro video/ect yet, as I've just been too busy working on tuning. Once I get a moment to slow down and get at it, i'll stick the camera on the car and get some good videos.

So far, there seems to be a lot of potential. You can see in this video the stock shift point is very low at around 5800, and all the power is removed during the shift. You can barely feel it!

Here's a bone stock F150 tune video I did briefly while I was proving out the build (slang for beating it like it owed me money), to see if I had any leaks/weaknesses that would present them self in the short term. So far, almost 100 miles and no real issues to report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6qIkEnyuO0

96gt4.6

08-30-2015, 01:44 PM

Another video to help demonstrate some of the questions I have been asked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l94VBfwjM8I

A little road tuning in the middle of the Kansas corn fields:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150830_131641_zpso9alx7cs.jp g

One thing nice about this country, lots of open flat ground to do tune work. Wasn't being irresponsible either....this was simply part throttle and some light WOT hits while keeping it under the speed limit:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150830_131647_zpsnbjuf29w.jp g

So, i'm kinda self-conscious about my PATS workaround and how it looks.....but i'll be honest, there is no easy way to get around it and keep it clean. I mounted my F150 BCM in the trunk, and am making a cover for the BCM as well. I'm still contemplating posting a picture of it, idk, I guess if it looks stupid and works, it isn't stupid, right??

Be kind.....here's the 'money shot' of making this work the poor boy way:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/received_10205080325303242_zps ttnsdpqw.jpeg

Here are all of the pin outs for the "Body" plug on the Coyote ECU. These are my handwritten notes, but this is what it takes as far as inputs/outputs to use a stock Coyote ECU with stock wiring:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/FB_IMG_1440901652570_zpsbzy8ef t9.jpg

Zack

08-30-2015, 04:10 PM

Bad_S55

08-30-2015, 04:44 PM

Nowhere near as clean of a job, but here's the first Coyote Vic for sale.

http://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/5192312446.html

Turbov6Bryan

08-30-2015, 04:58 PM

Do you have a picture of your driveshaft? What was the overall length of it?

Have you talked with other guys tuning their 5.0 to get shift schedule corrected?

Brings up a good point, my auto 5.0 flashes a red light thru the tach cluster and closes the throttle body if you go past the redline. Is this something you plan on putting in your car?

BeeDamn

08-30-2015, 05:02 PM

96gt4.6

08-30-2015, 05:12 PM

Do you have a picture of your driveshaft? What was the overall length of it?

Have you talked with other guys tuning their 5.0 to get shift schedule corrected?

Brings up a good point, my auto 5.0 flashes a red light thru the tach cluster and closes the throttle body if you go past the redline. Is this something you plan on putting in your car?

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150828_231413_zps8hcfctqq.jp g

Shaft is 65" from face of trans output flange to rear end flange with axle at ride height.

I'm working on the shift scheduling currently:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/shift%201_zpstl5xzz1v.jpg

Nice videos thanks for posting but remember don't go WOT with O/D ON lol

lol, indeed!

mad1stgen

08-31-2015, 04:53 AM

Coyote FTW. Congrats !

Assuming you've been doing some logging, what ECTs and CHTs are you seing ? What temp was the t-stat that was installed ? What is the fan schedule ?

Drewstang

08-31-2015, 05:26 AM

96gt4.6

08-31-2015, 06:11 AM

Coyote FTW. Congrats !

Assuming you've been doing some logging, what ECTs and CHTs are you seing ? What temp was the t-stat that was installed ? What is the fan schedule ?

CHT's are staying around 200 or so in 90 degree ambient. ECT is inferred on these motors, the stock Marauder cluster sender is located in a water jacket but no way to tell temps....

Stock T-Stat, the LaSota tuning guide said these motors like warmer temps like the LS does, so I never bothered to stray away from stock.

The old PATS keys could have the RF chip removed if you were careful. You might be able to do the same with the new system and heat shrink it to the transponder.

Got ya. I believe the 3 zip ties will more than keep it secure, it's in there pretty good!

96gt4.6

08-31-2015, 08:59 AM

I also forgot to add, the swap gained 20 lbs. Car scaled in at 4440 lbs, with driver in the seat. Was 4420 pre swap.

errrrr......or it could have been all the pizza deliveries late at night while doing this swap.....I'll get back to ya on that.

EMAS

08-31-2015, 09:35 AM

Seeing the screen with tow/haul schedule makes me wonder if the donor's PCM has that enabled and if it defaulting to the normal mode on boot is the reason for the WOT shift points you are seeing? Which makes me think it would be cool to use that feature to have a regular and "race" shift schedule available.

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150828_231413_zps8hcfctqq.jp g

Shaft is 65" from face of trans output flange to rear end flange with axle at ride height.

I'm working on the shift scheduling currently:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/shift%201_zpstl5xzz1v.jpg

lol, indeed!

96gt4.6

08-31-2015, 09:37 AM

The WOT shift points are correct, as this is an F150 ECU. All the ones I've driven at work, shift around 6k.

The Tow/Haul schedule is selected by a momentary ground input to the PCM on the Tow/Haul pin, so by default, it uses the normal shift scheduling unless it sees a momentary ground on that pin, and always reverts to 'Normal' shift pattern when the key is cycled.

And you are correct, I usually use the O/D button for my Tow/Haul button on the swaps, which allows me to have two shift schedules. Usually, I use the Tow/Haul to create a 'Roll Race' schedule, wherein it holds every gear until the shift point regardless of throttle position, yet still upshifts automatically under WOT.

Good question!

EMAS

08-31-2015, 10:52 PM

I thought in town haul mode the shift points were moved up a few rpm, among other things.

I understand that it has the F150 shift schedule that isn't designed for the mustangized power curve and definitely needs to be optimized for this application and without being CAFE friendly as a main priority.

96gt4.6

09-01-2015, 05:57 AM

I thought in town haul mode the shift points were moved up a few rpm, among other things.

I understand that it has the F150 shift schedule that isn't designed for the mustangized power curve and definitely needs to be optimized for this application and without being CAFE friendly as a main priority.

One would think so, but it does not appear so on the F150. Here's the stock 'Normal Mode' vs. 'Tow/Haul' tables. As you can see, the WOT shift MPH is the same, and mid throttle are within .5 MPH give/take:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/TowHaul_zpsugck0dxj.png

Here is another screenshot showing that the stock F150 tune even fails the MAF above 6k:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Maf%20Fail_zps7zavqvce.png

The Coyote F150 never sees above 6k all stock. The only reason I was operating this setup with the stock tune, was to prove out the combo and find any initial weak areas or problems that might have cropped up. After about 100 miles of torture, no issues/leak or problems to report!

I've just about completed the Hybrid F150/Mustang tune, and i'll get some video. Looks like early next week at this point due to my schedule this weekend.

:banana:

96gt4.6

09-02-2015, 06:33 AM

Well, hit a snag in the tuning! Figured out why I cannot get the shifts over about 6200....there is a parameter missing from the F150 tunes that caps the limiter there. It is available to modify in the Mustang ECU's via HPT, but not F150.

I've been in communication with Eric about the issue, and he said there will be a fix by the end of this week.

Here's a link to the discussion on the HPT forum, complete with some scanner screen shots and logs I did:

http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?51698-2012-F150-5-0-Hitting-unseen-rev-limit&p=396526&viewfull=1#post396526

Blown3.8

09-02-2015, 07:59 AM

96gt4.6

09-02-2015, 08:48 AM

Eric got the tables added in for us! That was fast!

I should be back on the car next week at this point due to my schedule currently, we'll take this back up then.

96gt4.6

09-02-2015, 11:06 AM

Gotta love HP and their customer service! Eric got right on it and less than 24 hrs later it's fixed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8GqpvSEm8

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Screenshot%202015-09-02%2012.58.10_zpsx50gzad1.png

lifespeed

09-02-2015, 11:17 AM

Again. This swap is simple.

In engineering everything is simple once you know how it's done.

Blown3.8

09-02-2015, 12:23 PM

Marauderjack

09-02-2015, 02:29 PM

chief455

09-02-2015, 03:06 PM

Gotta love HP and their customer service! Eric got right on it and less than 24 hrs later it's fixed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn8GqpvSEm8

In the video, is that convertor flash or instant downshift causing the tach to burst from 1500 to 5000 so quickly?
freaking awesome work.

MMBLUE

09-02-2015, 03:39 PM

96gt4.6

09-02-2015, 08:28 PM

I wish HP would support the Marauder.

It's coming, they are supporting EEC-V:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49269-EEC-V-Read-Support-in-latest-Beta
Its the downshift, was right at the top of 2nd.

Wait until the hair dryers get on that !

I'm excited for it too sir!

chief455

09-02-2015, 08:36 PM

It's coming, they are supporting EEC-V:
http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showthread.php?49269-EEC-V-Read-Support-in-latest-Beta
Its the downshift, was right at the top of 2nd.

I'm excited for it too sir!
Dayum - that kicks like a mule! nice sonding N/A car - will you be getting a baseline E.T. with the car pre forced induction?

96gt4.6

09-07-2015, 06:46 PM

Dayum - that kicks like a mule! nice sonding N/A car - will you be getting a baseline E.T. with the car pre forced induction?

Thank you! Yes, I plan on making some N/A passes once she's all ready.

Got the A/C blowing ice today! Also added a fitting badge:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150907_194502_zpstr5vmkxl.jp g

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150907_194437_zps1puzntri.jp g

https://youtu.be/271aJ56fXCU

Now that I'm back from vacation, and the revv limiter is fixed, I can get going with the final tuning and shift points.

MOTOWN

09-07-2015, 06:52 PM

gdmjoe

09-08-2015, 08:40 AM

lsutigers93

09-09-2015, 11:42 PM

BeeDamn

09-10-2015, 05:09 AM

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150907_194502_zpstr5vmkxl.jp g

Maaaan I hate any badge on the car....But this one ROOOCK :banana2:

Bob Mathis

09-10-2015, 05:18 AM

lsutigers93

09-11-2015, 01:57 AM

[QUOTE=96gt4.6;1464045]Thank you! Yes, I plan on making some N/A passes once she's all ready.

Got the A/C blowing ice today! Also added a fitting badge:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150907_194502_zpstr5vmkxl.jp g

Where did you source this badge from, if I may ask? Looking for something similar in design for my car. Thanks.

96gt4.6

09-11-2015, 05:58 AM

Awesome build...so clean! This may sound dumb, but if one just wanted to swap in the truck 5.0 and keep its more torque-biased cams and tune, that'd still be a nice-performing Panther, correct?

I don't see why not, the pickup 5.0L is still rated rather healthy at 360hp/380tq. It appears a bit can be picked up with tuning as well, from what I've found. However, keep in mind, that in order to get the motor in a Panther chassis, you'll still have to run the Mustang timing cover to relocate the alt and have power steering, use factory Mustang shorty manifolds to clear everything (including reworking 2 tubes on the passenger side one). And run the Mustang oil filter housing to clear the sway bar. Taking all that into consideration, unless you are going boosted where the F150's 10.5:1 CR will benefit, cost wise you can nearly pick up a Mustang motor for what you'll have to put into the F150 parts wise.

Car looks and sound great. Great job.

Thank you Bob! Looking forward to making a trip to the drag strip soon!

[QUOTE=96gt4.6;1464045]Thank you! Yes, I plan on making some N/A passes once she's all ready.

Got the A/C blowing ice today! Also added a fitting badge:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150907_194502_zpstr5vmkxl.jp g

Where did you source this badge from, if I may ask? Looking for something similar in design for my car. Thanks.

I actually got it off of Ebay. Just search Coyote 5.0 Badge

96gt4.6

09-12-2015, 12:30 PM

Got her as good as she can get! Car feels decent, we'll see what the E/T slip says next time the strip is open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVhI9O41ZrE

chief455

09-12-2015, 02:13 PM

Got her as good as she can get! Car feels decent, we'll see what the E/T slip says next time the strip is open.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVhI9O41ZrE

OMG!!:eek: FOR N/A, THAT IS SO BAD ARSED!

You should be extremely pleased, and equally proud.
FAR above average results in any timeline of build, nevermind a month :beer:

myrodr

09-12-2015, 04:13 PM

96gt4.6

09-13-2015, 08:09 PM

OMG!!:eek: FOR N/A, THAT IS SO BAD ARSED!

You should be extremely pleased, and equally proud.
FAR above average results in any timeline of build, nevermind a month :beer:

Thank You! As I reflect on the build, indeed you guys are right, that escalated quickly! In all seriousness though, it was a rather quick progression considering I work around 115 hrs/2 weeks at my normal job. Glad it's to the point we can take a little intermission before going boosted, feels good to go out and drive her!

nice! can't wait to see time slips. also maybe post mpg if you think about it. sounds great super job!

Thank You!

If I can keep my foot out of it, i'll try and get some realistic MPG data. The F150 this power train came out of was rated 18 mpg highway I believe, and the Mustang was 22? It should do pretty decent hopefully!

Here's a video collage of the car's progress from the dealer scrap/salvage lot the day I picked her up in late March, until now. T-Minus 2 weeks until she goes down the 1320. Stock setup ran 15.4@91, that's the benchmark!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoOJlVbvoT4

walt460

09-13-2015, 08:23 PM

lsutigers93

09-13-2015, 11:06 PM

justbob

09-14-2015, 04:23 AM

It was such a relief to see something actually done and not just talked about. And your work is top notch sir!

Builder Of Badassery

MOTOWN

09-14-2015, 06:26 AM

Joe Walsh

09-14-2015, 07:32 AM

Can't wait to see N/A timeslips.
Engine has same specs as Mustang GT Coyote except slightly lower CR.
With stock convertor, 3.55s and decent traction I'd guess that you'd run mid-high 13s.

Again....awesome job!
It's rare to see engine swaps that are really thought out and professionally done....
and not half a$$ed hack jobs.

(Also super glad you didn't go LS)

96gt4.6

09-14-2015, 09:39 AM

Great video! I did not know that you did all that body and paint work before you started the engine/trans swap. No wonder your car looks (and now sounds) awesome!

Thank you Walt! Indeed, it has been quite the adventure the last 6 months! The poor girl was a little rough when I got her, and was on the dealer whole sale lot headed to salvage. It was traded off to the dealer on a newer vehicle.

Thanks for the info...time to start saving for a dropout from a Mustang...

Anytime! Glad I could help!

It was such a relief to see something actually done and not just talked about. And your work is top notch sir!

Builder Of Badassery

Thank you sir!

What a great build! You da man!

Thank you! Looking forward to continuing with the project and moving on to the forced inducted phase!

Can't wait to see N/A timeslips.
Engine has same specs as Mustang GT Coyote except slightly lower CR.
With stock convertor, 3.55s and decent traction I'd guess that you'd run mid-high 13s.

Again....awesome job!
It's rare to see engine swaps that are really thought out and professionally done....
and not half a$$ed hack jobs.

(Also super glad you didn't go LS)

Thank you Joe! I'm of the same agreement, it feels mid/high 13's if she can bite. I will be attempting to run street tires the first time out, so if it hooks up and all goes to plan, I would be perfectly happy with that slip!

I did get a chance to check the MPG today. I had to make an out of town trip, so I topped off the tank and reset the trip indicator. Drove straight back to the gas station and checked it:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Marauder%20MPG%201_zpsbabutkyh .jpg

Looks like i'm about 2 under the Mustang's rating, however it is close to 600 lbs lighter so that looks right on par.

No odd vibrations, noise ect at highway speed. Car is smooth as it was before. Here's a video while driving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3akYy3T8gFo

71cyclone

09-14-2015, 10:18 AM

myrodr

09-14-2015, 05:53 PM

chief455

09-14-2015, 07:30 PM

It was such a relief to see something actually done and not just talked about. And your work is top notch sir!

Builder Of Badassery
+100 on this. Great and very well documented build. :beer:

Love the 7 minute slideshow from start to today = WINNING!!

RubberCtyRauder

09-14-2015, 08:48 PM

96gt4.6

09-19-2015, 05:54 AM

Good Sound track - Car sounds Super >>>>>>

Thank You! I listen to Octane all the time, sometimes Hair Nation as well. Good stuff!

thanks for the mpg. you did better than i could never can keep my foot off the floor. lol

Haha, funny thing is on this last tank (the one from when I filled up to check the mileage in this pic) I got around 160 miles.....on the tank. Kinda tells ya what I was doing that entire tank! Quite a few pulls getting her dialed in!

+100 on this. Great and very well documented build. :beer:

Love the 7 minute slideshow from start to today = WINNING!!

Thanks! So far so good and the setup seems to be holding out very well.

Totally cool build and in short time frame too!!!!!

Thank You! Looking forward to taking it to the strip next Friday, and then going boosted here shortly!

The car finally got some street action as well. The numbers look just about dead on what we thought as far as ET and MPH at this point!

Bad_S55

09-19-2015, 09:05 AM

AnthonyTyler

09-21-2015, 03:54 PM

96gt4.6

09-22-2015, 06:06 AM

Sir, I'm lookin' forward to shaking your hand one day! Truly a masterpiece of craftsmanship in every aspect. This is definitely on my to-do list now. The sound too is what really surprises me. Sounds a lot like a factory tuned high performance machine. Not as raucous as my setup, but tuned & quality like.

I really appreciate that sir! It's been an adventure, but luckily not too difficult of one really.

that was awesome work. how long were you working on it. that was pretty amazing.

Thank you! I started this thread in Mid July I believe (would have to look back on page 1 to verify). The car hit the streets late August/early September, so a little over a month and a half.

SAAAAAC

09-22-2015, 07:54 AM

MarauderMatt200

09-22-2015, 08:55 PM

96gt4.6

09-23-2015, 06:00 AM

I really wish I had the talent to pull something off like this. Great Job. Thanks for documenting it.

Thank you very much!

Time slips, WE NEED TIMESLIPS!!!!!! :)

Sooooooooon, very soon :). If all goes well, this Friday evening there will be time slips, and in-cab video :burnout:

Joe Walsh

09-23-2015, 09:32 AM

96gt4.6

09-23-2015, 09:36 AM

71cyclone

09-23-2015, 03:54 PM

Joe Walsh

09-23-2015, 04:16 PM

Judging from your builds ,Would you be interested in doing any future builds ?- what would be your " Sugusted Retail " I am interested in your 'Resto Rodd work" on a certin 04 silver burch marauder. Ther is not much out there any more worth buying or financing.

I'm waiting for FRPP to come out with the 2015* 435 HP Coyote 5.0 as a crate engine.
( * which has most of the BOSS 302 program's goodies in it.)

Bad_S55

09-23-2015, 04:25 PM

I'm waiting for FRPP to come out with the 2015* 435 HP Coyote 5.0 as a crate engine.
( * which has most of the BOSS 302 program's goodies in it.)

Or the GT350's 526 HP, 8250 RPM, Voodoo engine :D

Joe Walsh

09-23-2015, 04:29 PM

Or the GT350's 526 HP, 8250 RPM, Voodoo engine :D

That awesome engine probably will be offered as an FRPP crate engine, like the GT500 engine was.....

but the price tag will be astronomical!....$$$$$$

Sorry for the thread Hi-Jack!

Turbov6Bryan

09-23-2015, 04:45 PM

Any coyote with standard non cnc heads , then add forged rods and Pistons is good enough to run 8s in the 1/4.

I wouldn't wait for a 15 crate motor just for cnc ported heads and upgraded rods. The 15 rods are strong but not h beam or I beam to support 1000 hp

If you guys want to see a 14 gt with turbos added run 8s OMG this is a badddasaa mustang

Anyway, for my point. Get a late 14 built gt, those have the 15 heads on them, then just build up a shortblock and your well into 1200 hp

Guy goes by juic3d on YouTube, If anyone loves that coyote motor like I do, you will appreciate this guys vids. His is a late 14 without rods n piston upgrade.

So sorry for the high jack!! http://youtu.be/-G6qfLJYjTQ

Bad_S55

09-23-2015, 05:47 PM

That awesome engine probably will be offered as an FRPP crate engine, like the GT500 engine was.....

but the price tag will be astronomical!....$$$$$$

Sorry for the thread Hi-Jack!

Or just wait until somebody wrecks theirs. Sad thought, but it WILL HAPPEN!

96gt4.6

09-23-2015, 07:19 PM

Judging from your builds ,Would you be interested in doing any future builds ?- what would be your " Sugusted Retail " I am interested in your 'Resto Rodd work" on a certin 04 silver burch marauder. Ther is not much out there any more worth buying or financing.

Well, unfortunately time is always my issue. Having a 8-6 job M-S, keeping a home life and having the racing hobby myself, really limits my 'free' time that could be devoted to other's projects.

So, I tend not to take on any other's projects other than my own, maybe a small one here and there once in a while. Maybe when I get older and slow down more, i'll have time to take on some projects for others.

It's hard to put a number on this build....I mean I know what I have in it parts wise in a $$ amount, but I need to add up the labor and determine the rate for such services. I'll have a handle on how much it would take to get this car away from me at some point soon, i'm sure. NOT that i'm looking to sell it, but just to I have a number in mind.....in case that situation arises, which it usually does.....haha.

No worries guys, no hi jacking at all, I enjoy the information and reading about things I previously knew nothing about! This thread is nearly complete for the time being. She'll print a slip this Friday, then we're done for about 2 months until I start the turbo fabrication :)

8UWITH6

09-23-2015, 08:11 PM

71cyclone

09-24-2015, 04:24 PM

Who cares about the number and how much you spent and blah blah blah. It's done, running and driving, and you did a great job. Enjoy it. Having the ability to build things is a talent not many people have. Built not bought.

Yes Sir I totally agree:banana2::beer:

96gt4.6

09-25-2015, 09:15 AM

As of right now, we are a go for action down the 1320 this evening! I will have in-cab video and slips. Plans are the first few runs are using the stock Ford Racing Control Pack Tune on the engine side, in addition to 2 other tunes changing the variable cam timing and altering the ignition timing.

Goal is to see where if any there is power to pick up still.

All runs will be on street tires, so hopefully traction won't be much of an issue, but we'll see.

chief455

09-25-2015, 09:18 AM

As of right now, we are a go for action down the 1320 this evening! I will have in-cab video and slips. Plans are the first few runs are using the stock Ford Racing Control Pack Tune on the engine side, in addition to 2 other tunes changing the variable cam timing and altering the ignition timing.

Goal is to see where if any there is power to pick up still.

All runs will be on street tires, so hopefully traction won't be much of an issue, but we'll see.

if I see these passes over the weekend, it will be like a porn festival for car sex.
:beer:

myrodr

09-25-2015, 10:19 AM

JBeezy

09-25-2015, 11:22 AM

Zack

09-25-2015, 11:27 AM

Fastbob

09-25-2015, 12:50 PM

Joe Walsh

09-25-2015, 01:30 PM

345HP87SSAC

09-25-2015, 01:33 PM

RubberCtyRauder

09-25-2015, 01:58 PM

lifespeed

09-25-2015, 02:40 PM

A new meaning to " Wile E. Coyote " :D

I believe he was in fact the namesake.

Turbov6Bryan

09-25-2015, 03:52 PM

I have a feeling the street tires aren't going to hold up for the first 60'

The car will at best get a 1.88 sixty foot, I have a coyote mustang auto
I bet it stays in the 1.95 to 2.0. Add a 3800 stall and 1.55s are there

Can't wait to hear how the car does!!

Place your bets fellas, what'll it be!?!??!

Joe Walsh

09-25-2015, 03:56 PM

The car will at best get a 1.88 sixty foot, I have a coyote mustang auto
I bet it stays in the 1.95 to 2.0. Add a 3800 stall and 1.55s are there

Can't wait to hear how the car does!!

Place your bets fellas, what'll it be!?!??!

I said this in post #371:

"Engine has same specs as Mustang GT Coyote except slightly lower CR.
With stock convertor, 3.55s and decent traction I'd guess that you'd run mid-high 13s."

Turbov6Bryan

09-25-2015, 04:01 PM

I said this in post #371:

"Engine has same specs as Mustang GT Coyote except slightly lower CR.
With stock convertor, 3.55s and decent traction I'd guess that you'd run mid-high 13s."

We could do it like pass time TV show, best closest without going over:) :banana:

chief455

09-25-2015, 04:08 PM

96gt4.6

09-25-2015, 04:13 PM

Fastbob

09-25-2015, 05:43 PM

justbob

09-25-2015, 06:26 PM

14.25

Builder Of Badassery

chief455

09-25-2015, 07:35 PM

14.01 @ 101 would be my guess

14.25

Builder Of Badassery
ouch!
I'm rooting for him to tune, and drive it like Luke Duke
Still thinking into the 13's....

RubberCtyRauder

09-25-2015, 08:56 PM

96gt4.6

09-25-2015, 11:03 PM

Here is your next license plate
http://i637.photobucket.com/albums/uu92/mdnos/wiley_zpsra8psdjy.jpg

Now that is killer!

I'll have full timeslip breakdown, all videos and runs from inside the car as well as video from the starting line after I get up and edit/analyze everything tomorrow. Just got in and calling it a night.

In the mean time, I leave you with this snippet. This Vette ran basement 13's in the video, is tuned and has Nitto's out back(6-speed manual car). Needless to say, I was happy with tonight's outcome. Thank you guys for participating in the E/T guesses, it was good to see such a great spread!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMxjqRbYsKs

MarauderMatt200

09-26-2015, 02:28 AM

Fastbob

09-26-2015, 05:21 AM

chief455

09-26-2015, 06:13 AM

best of 13.77.....

You were damned close, but I'll let him post the numbers.

I'm pretty sure I'll win the passtime challenge :D

I'm glad he is happy with it!!

96gt4.6

09-26-2015, 07:08 AM

Here's the slip from the best pass guys. I'll go ahead and post it so as not to keep everyone waiting. I have many videos, and quite a bit of data to pour over from each run. I'm working on editing all the runs/video and slips into one video, which is going to take me a bit.

Learned a bit about experimenting with some cam timing changes as well! I had a total of 3 different tunes I was trying in progressive order throughout the night, more on that to come.

Anyhow, here the best run, which I backed up immediately afterwards with a 13.94@102.21 right after. This was stock cam tables with a little added timing and altered shift points. Rest was stock Ford Racing Control Pack tune.

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Marauder%20Best%20Run%201_zpsh gz4euyc.jpg

On 4400 lbs, that should be in the realm of 380 RWHP at a corrected altitude of 2892 ft at the time of the run, which puts me very close to what I believe the combo should produce.

More to come!

Fastbob

09-26-2015, 07:37 AM

Joe Walsh

09-26-2015, 07:47 AM

That is so cool!

Watching and listening to that Coyote motor hit shifts at 6500 rpm!

You looked like you were in a Fast&Furious movie with the laptop running on the passenger's seat while drag racing!! ..... love it.

BTW: Mid-high 13s it is!....;)

Bad_S55

09-26-2015, 07:49 AM

96gt4.6

09-26-2015, 08:00 AM

Alan, I think you got all the HP out of it that was available. I am pretty sure your Marauder would have ran right with the stock 2008 Bullitt Mustang that I owned. Excellent job.

Thank you Bob!

That is so cool!

Watching and listening to that Coyote motor hit shifts at 6500 rpm!

You looked like you were in a Fast&Furious movie with the laptop running on the passenger's seat while drag racing!! ..... love it.

BTW: Mid-high 13s it is!....;)

Haha, good thing the 'Danger to Manifold' warning didn't pop up! Every run was logged and i'm working on compiling the data. Tuning the Coyote is a bit of a challenge coming from the GEN 3 LS stuff which had 2 base timing tables. The Coyote has 32 individual tables that have to be changed and blended, ideally. I'm currently running 26 degrees lead time with a Lambda of .830 on the wide bands. Shift points are a little less than ideal at 65-6700 (I'd like to see 6900-7k) but i'm still working out some things on the trans shift tuning and didn't want to risk hitting the limiter of 7100 while I finish up getting the shift points spot on, so I just ran as-is on that aspect.

How much is left on the table there? Probably .1 at best. I feel if anything, the stock exhaust might be a factor, but I don't forsee much there either, and still debating if I should add in some cut outs before it couples to the stock Marauder exhaust or just let it be as it's getting reworked for the turbo here shortly anyhow.

chief455

09-26-2015, 08:08 AM

truly inspiring work, including your racing and analysis.
so, 13.87 run on my 13.77 prediction = I WIN!! :banana:

I figured I was maybe ~ tenth optomistic, but for sure didn't think you would be above 13.9X - unless weather bogged it down.
I'd call it a win, and go for the turbo as your focul point of optimizing the tuning.
Nothing left to prove n/a.
:beer:

Joe Walsh

09-26-2015, 08:25 AM

Did you post pictures of the modified OEM Coyote shorty headers?
I wonder how hard it would be to fit Mustang Coyote aftermarket long tube headers for maximum N/A performance...?
I realize that you won't go this route as a turbo is in the works.

I am seriously considering this type swap in the future.

96gt4.6

09-26-2015, 08:50 AM

truly inspiring work, including your racing and analysis.
so, 13.87 run on my 13.77 prediction = I WIN!! :banana:

I figured I was maybe ~ tenth optomistic, but for sure didn't think you would be above 13.9X - unless weather bogged it down.
I'd call it a win, and go for the turbo as your focul point of optimizing the tuning.
Nothing left to prove n/a.
:beer:

Appreciate that!

Did you post pictures of the modified OEM Coyote shorty headers?
I wonder how hard it would be to fit Mustang Coyote aftermarket long tube headers for maximum N/A performance...?
I realize that you won't go this route as a turbo is in the works.

I am seriously considering this type swap in the future.

I got a little lax in pictures around the time of the exhaust work, however only the RH manifold had to have the back 2 tubes re-worked. I cut them off and re-built them, this was the final product. I also had to clamp the manifold and heat up the remaining tubes as it had to be flared in more towards the motor to clear the frame. I had about 3-4 hours in those modifications give/take. On the longtubes, it's hard to say how they would fit.

The driver side, was a direct bolt-in as far as the OEM shorty headers go. I did however slightly crimp the tube by the steering shaft, for added clearance

This is the RH reworked Mustang shorty. Back 2 tubes re-done:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20150807_123714_zpspzkuwpux.jp g

96gt4.6

09-26-2015, 09:04 AM

Also, i'm working on a new amusement park ride, it's called the black bouncer. The track was sticky as heck, and not being in the water box (I was doing a few burnouts to appease my inner child being on street rubber) produces quite the hop from the 'ole air ride at this lower power level. My old Vic was similar, but after the stall converter it was all alleviated when you can get into the power quickly.

As demonstrated in the video, until I get it spun up, it was a bit of a bounce....lol. The in-car is equally as entertaining.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UraYFjbnL_I

justbob

09-26-2015, 09:09 AM

What your car would sound like with headers and cut outs. Forgive my wife's video skills...

This was the last run she ever did with the automatic.

http://youtu.be/8ePs5H4210s

Funny how you had to tweak your header in on the right and I had to tweak Cobra LT's out. Or your last two tubes reworked and my front two on the drivers side!

Builder Of Badassery

96gt4.6

09-26-2015, 09:15 AM

chief455

09-26-2015, 10:18 AM

That sounds so intimidating to say the least! Something about these cars with their already aggressive looks, backed up with throat like that, screams bad ass.

quoted for truth!

your reworked header resulted in a tri-y shorty. If the other side is similar tube length, bet those and 2.5" full exhaust would support flow up to ~550rwhp...

Someone will get long tubes fabbed for this swap, - in ten years, as used part availability and experience progress, we'll see several of these Coyote/Panthers running around, maybe catch up to the amount of Eaton swapped cars :confused:

chief455

09-26-2015, 10:21 AM

What your car would sound like with headers and cut outs. Forgive my wife's video skills...

This was the last run she ever did with the automatic.

http://youtu.be/8ePs5H4210s

Builder Of Badassery

"Which one's Dad?" LOL!
Sounds like I need cutouts :eek:

justbob

09-26-2015, 10:36 AM

"Which one's Dad?" LOL!

Sounds like I need cutouts :eek:

Maybe that's why he wears glasses now? [emoji6]

I hate cut outs. Buy mine. [emoji4]

Builder Of Badassery

chief455

09-26-2015, 10:47 AM

Maybe that's why he wears glasses now? [emoji6]

I hate cut outs. Buy mine. [emoji4]

Builder Of Badassery

please clear your pm inbox....

96gt4.6

10-02-2015, 11:03 AM

Got an update from Eric @ HP Tuners, they have successfully bypassed the E-Pats on the Coyote ECU's at this time, and have requested my unit back to finish it out. Sweet, means I can remove my 'fix' for good! Going to wait until after the car show i'm attending in a week, and the final race of the year here at our track.

With the cool October air coming in, i'm hoping for a mid 13 sec pass to end out the year naturally aspirated, den it's time for some metal work and fabrication!

I will keep you guys updated on the EPATS fix, once I get the ECU back and try it. Eric also said this will be integrated into the HP Tuners VCM Scanner program so that no ECU's will have to be mailed to them. ETA was sometime between now and possibly end of year.

I'm also working on compiling all my pics from the swap, and completing the swap write up thread, at which time I will concur with the admin's here to see if it's something they are interested in making a sticky or nay. This thread will continue on with the build as it progresses.

chief455

10-02-2015, 02:55 PM

Got an update from Eric @ HP Tuners, they have successfully bypassed the E-Pats on the Coyote ECU's at this time, and have requested my unit back to finish it out. Sweet, means I can remove my 'fix' for good! Going to wait until after the car show i'm attending in a week, and the final race of the year here at our track.

With the cool October air coming in, i'm hoping for a mid 13 sec pass to end out the year naturally aspirated, den it's time for some metal work and fabrication!

I will keep you guys updated on the EPATS fix, once I get the ECU back and try it. Eric also said this will be integrated into the HP Tuners VCM Scanner program so that no ECU's will have to be mailed to them. ETA was sometime between now and possibly end of year.

I'm also working on compiling all my pics from the swap, and completing the swap write up thread, at which time I will concur with the admin's here to see if it's something they are interested in making a sticky or nay. This thread will continue on with the build as it progresses.
good stuff.
If you make a write up, consolidated and with pictures, of this swap - it would be CRAZY not to make it a new thread and a sticky!
Can't wait to see your boost install...

Milner

10-05-2015, 03:31 PM

Very nice, detailed build thread. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information with everyone! :beer:

I'm buying a '62 Fairlane roller from my brother this winter that I hope to start collecting similar conversion parts for. If you come across any more deals on engines/trans, let me know.

8UWITH6...what's up Neil?? :burnout:

96gt4.6

10-06-2015, 06:06 AM

Very nice, detailed build thread. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information with everyone! :beer:

I'm buying a '62 Fairlane roller from my brother this winter that I hope to start collecting similar conversion parts for. If you come across any more deals on engines/trans, let me know.

8UWITH6...what's up Neil?? :burnout:

No prob! I got into turbo LS setups years ago because of the information shared through forums and kindness of others, this is my way of repaying the community.

on the engine deals, I use www.car-part.com (http://www.car-part.com) to locate pullouts. Give each yard a call, some will work with you more than others on entire pullouts/wiring/ect. In my case, I found a yard that would do the entire pullout with hoses/ect (notice how my upper hose re-used the stock F150 spring-lock type connector with a different radiator hose?), this will save you a lot of $$ in nickel and dime stuff.

Also, if going F150 and using my bypass technique, you can request the Body module from the donor pickup, along with the steering column so you get the PATS antenna and key as I did. Both of those cost me a addition $100 or so.

IT SHOULD be noted, that you CANNOT use my bypass technique on a Mustang computer/pullout. the Mustang ECU looks for the PATS request signal from the insturment cluster as that's were it's contained vs. the F150 has it in the BCM. I have flashed my ECU to a full Mustang over write, and attempted to re-learn the computer to look for the PATS but it will not look in the BCM if it's coded as Mustang. So, keep that in mind. I have cross referenced F150 AND Mustang ECU's pin/pin and electrically they are identical so they are interchangeable. Therefore, if you have a Mustang powertrain pullout, you could use an F150 ECU on the harness and be just fine as long as you re-work the F150's computer programming for the swap. Once HP Tuners gets their PATS bypass integrated into the scanner program, most of this paragraph will be obsolete. ETA was sometime between now and end of year last I visited with him. So, for now, those of us trailblazers with the 6R80 have only three options. 1. - Lund Racing's EPATS bypass, 2. - HP Tuners bypass (must contact Eric directly at HPT and requires ECU mail-in), 3. - Use the F150 ECU/BCM method I've outlined.

The F150 ECU is fine to use. With HP you can calibrate it to whatever your desire, the box simply controls the outputs based on your tune data. Now, one area where this will differ is when I finish hooking up the cruise control, as the Mustang ECU frimware looks for hard wired inputs into the computer from the steering wheel switch pack, vs. the F150's cruise inputs are received over the HS and MS CAN network via the BCM and SCCM modules.

More on that as I progress into full integration. At this point, the cruise is all that's left to integrate.

Zack

10-06-2015, 06:26 AM

Headers for this swap is simple. Like stupid simple.
Call Stainless works and have them install Coyote flanges instead of Marauder Flanges.

It's really THAT easy

Joe Walsh

10-06-2015, 06:50 AM

Headers for this swap is simple.
Like stupid simple.
Call Stainless works and have them install Coyote flanges instead of Marauder Flanges.
It's really THAT easy

Genius....Super GENIUS!!!

STeVTzWelns

96gt4.6

10-06-2015, 07:29 AM

^^ oh how I miss those cartoons!

One caveat I might add about using the F150 ECU v. Mustang:

The F150 is a Flex Fuel (E85) compatible vehicle. Therefore, if you use an F150 pullout with ECU, you have the capability of running E85 right out of the box. Now, in the past this required a flex fuel sensor in the tank or fuel line to sense the alcohol and allow the computer to make necessary adjustments.

This is NOT the case with the Copperhead ECU. All newer Ford's infer alcohol content. This is accomplished by using the fuel trim data to sense the alcohol present. How it works, after a fuel up event (the ECU had a fuel level input from the sender) the PCM begins it's alcohol re-learn strategy. It's pretty quick to adapt I might add, usually within a few miles it will lock in the ethanol content.

Also, after a clear DTC's command is issued via scan tool, it begins the re learn process.

Now, this is VERY dependent on how close the initial tuning is.....if your MAF curve is off due to a custom CAI or relocated MAF, it can affect this, so it's important your fuel trim data is 100% accurate before you switch the Ethanol system on in the tune, or it will infer wrong and the entire thing will be off.

From what I'm told, this is also available on the Mustang ECU if you have a combination of HP Tuners and SCT's software, this Is accomplished by using SCT's software to insert the necessary Alcohol tables into the tune, and HP has the ability to enable/disable the Ethanol system.

Some might be asking about the OE Marauder's fuel system compatibility with Ethanol. Most cars manufactured since the late 90's have a degree of Alcohol compatibility, as pump 87-93 has been 'blended' since then. Ford even knows this as all the factory tuning is done around a 14.08 Stoich point (10% Alcohol). It's NOT as corrosive and bad as it was originally made out to be, unless you drive 2 miles a year and leave the ethanol sit in your tank, neither of which a car of this build would be doing.

How does this play into things? Having the ability to run Ethanol with boost is like having 110 race fuel in the tank all the time. The Octane rating is excellent for what us boosted guys use it for, in addition the Ethanol provides a cooling effect to the air charge.

I'm excited to mess with the E85 system on this ECU when I go boosted here shortly!

lifespeed

10-06-2015, 09:35 AM

96gt4.6

10-06-2015, 09:41 AM

Excellent info on the alcohol detection technique. This is down with an ordinary O2 sensor, not wideband? Does it stumble a bit as it figures it out?

Actually, no. Starting around 2009 or so most Ford vehicles went to Wideband sensors. The Coyote uses dual wide bands. It's rather nice, the system operates in closed loop at all times. So under wide open throttle you simply put in what Lambda you want, and it targets that continually. It's also very fast to compensate and adjust!

lifespeed

10-06-2015, 10:07 AM

Actually, no. Starting around 2009 or so most Ford vehicles went to Wideband sensors. The Coyote uses dual wide bands. It's rather nice, the system operates in closed loop at all times. So under wide open throttle you simply put in what Lambda you want, and it targets that continually. It's also very fast to compensate and adjust!

Wow! The engine management is every bit as compelling a reason to swap as the motor itself.

96gt4.6

10-06-2015, 10:57 AM

Indeed, it's a very nice system. However, that also makes it more complex to work with in some instances, and thus is the primary reason I went Naturally Aspirated before Turbo, to give myself time to learn the software.

I'm confident in my abilities to tune a GEN 3/4 LS setup with HP Tuners, as i've done quite a few boosted and N/A ones to say the least. However, on boost, you don't get too many chances to make a mistake, so you pretty much need to know exactly where your timing comes from/fueling/ect when you write the tune. Once wrong table or keystroke, and you could get full N/A timing under boost, which would be very bad....

The Coyote, has 30+ timing tables you have to change give/take up to 2015, then that number gets even bigger! It's all part of how things are going though. They are pretty much making the computer system infinitely variable as far as operating conditions (known as HDFX, or High Degree of Freedom Executive), which allows for tighter emission control standards and better fuel economy.

This is part of the timing table setup for the '11-14 Coyote:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/Screenshot%202015-10-06%2012.51.24_zpsqh6xltw5.png

8UWITH6

10-06-2015, 07:13 PM

Very nice, detailed build thread. I appreciate you taking the time to share this information with everyone! :beer:

I'm buying a '62 Fairlane roller from my brother this winter that I hope to start collecting similar conversion parts for. If you come across any more deals on engines/trans, let me know.

8UWITH6...what's up Neil?? :burnout:

Yeah, wud up?

Milner

10-07-2015, 07:21 AM

Yeah, wud up?

Counting down the days until I can own a decently fast car again! Haven't had one since after I left Pittsburg. :alone:

To keep the thread on track...www.car-part.com definitely has a LOT of options available. I called LKQ in Wichita and was quoted a pretty decent price for a low-mileage 2014 F150 engine & trans. I also found this website (http://cgfabrication.com/collections/coyote-racing-kits) where they seem to manufacturer some high-quality Turbo headers for Coyote swaps. When the time comes, I think I'll end up buying the headers only...and then fabricating the rest of the hot-side to fit where I want to place the turbos. That should cut down on quite a bit of fabrication time.

Zack

10-07-2015, 07:44 AM

Counting down the days until I can own a decently fast car again! Haven't had one since after I left Pittsburg. :alone:

To keep the thread on track...www.car-part.com definitely has a LOT of options available. I called LKQ in Wichita and was quoted a pretty decent price for a low-mileage 2014 F150 engine & trans. I also found this website (http://cgfabrication.com/collections/coyote-racing-kits) where they seem to manufacturer some high-quality Turbo headers for Coyote swaps. When the time comes, I think I'll end up buying the headers only...and then fabricating the rest of the hot-side to fit where I want to place the turbos. That should cut down on quite a bit of fabrication time.

No header from any company will fit into a Marauder (if that's what you car you have)

Milner

10-07-2015, 10:31 AM

No header from any company will fit into a Marauder (if that's what you car you have)

Although I've always wanted a Marauder...my Coyote/6R80 swap will be dropped into a '62 Ford Fairlane that I bought back in 2011.

96gt4.6

10-07-2015, 01:16 PM

Fastbob

10-07-2015, 01:40 PM

Vortech347

10-08-2015, 11:32 PM

I come back just to check this thread. LOL

Sweet progress. Watched your 1/4 mile pass video. That thing needs gears BAD if you weren't doing a turbo. 4.10's would be perfect.

96gt4.6

10-09-2015, 12:56 PM

I come back just to check this thread. LOL

Sweet progress. Watched your 1/4 mile pass video. That thing needs gears BAD if you weren't doing a turbo. 4.10's would be perfect.

I completely agree! When I had the driveshaft spec'd, I originally wanted to use a 4.10 ratio, but due to the diameter it would have to be to keep the critical speed in check and maintain the top speed of 140, I would have had to have a 5" diameter shaft with Aluminum. The 6 speed actually takes about a 5" longer shaft than the stock, so that also lowers the critical speed. Long story short, it was spend the big bucks on a carbon fiber one to reduce the diameter (4" is about the maximum I can get in there with the 6-speed mount/body clearance) and be able to run a deeper gear, or just live with a 3.55 or lower ratio for the short time frame it will be naturally aspirated.

I would love to see how it did with a stall converter and 4.10's!

lifespeed

10-09-2015, 01:34 PM

I completely agree! When I had the driveshaft spec'd, I originally wanted to use a 4.10 ratio, but due to the diameter it would have to be to keep the critical speed in check and maintain the top speed of 140, I would have had to have a 5" diameter shaft with Aluminum.

A consideration that is often overlooked, or perhaps folks just decide the car will be a drag racer not a high speed cruiser or road course car.

I am considering the carbon fiber driveshaft. It is a huge expense, but even with 3.55 gears driveshaft vibration starts to rear it's ugly head at speeds not much over 100 mph. And I suspect I am in for a new driveshaft due to the Ford 9" install, it couldn't possibly have the same pinion yoke location.

solo5057

10-09-2015, 02:53 PM

96gt4.6

10-09-2015, 03:02 PM

It will vary by length and what style of joints you need on the shaft. For my car, I had to get around a 4" longer shaft and I have a Rzeppa (CV Style) joint on the trans end. Cost for my shaft in Aluminum was $950 shipped. To make the same shaft in a carbon fiber which reduced it to a 3" dia shaft, was $1700.

However, I recommend contacting the people at:http://www.driveshaftshop.com/

for an exact quote. They were very speedy and all correspondence was done via E-Mail. Thanks again to Bob for that recommendation!

lifespeed

10-09-2015, 04:54 PM

It will vary by length and what style of joints you need on the shaft. For my car, I had to get around a 4" longer shaft and I have a Rzeppa (CV Style) joint on the trans end. Cost for my shaft in Aluminum was $950 shipped. To make the same shaft in a carbon fiber which reduced it to a 3" dia shaft, was $1700.

Ouch! I was thinking the carbon fiber shaft was around $1K. Maybe that was with plain old U-joints.

What made you decide on the CV joint? Did the trans tailshaft angle change? When I talked to the folks at the driveshaft shop they seemed to think the CV joint was more to help non-optimum trans and pinion alignment. To be honest I suspect a CV joint would help even a stock Marauder as the u-joint moves up and down as it rotates.

solo5057

10-09-2015, 05:14 PM

96gt4.6

10-10-2015, 11:21 AM

Ouch! I was thinking the carbon fiber shaft was around $1K. Maybe that was with plain old U-joints.

What made you decide on the CV joint? Did the trans tailshaft angle change? When I talked to the folks at the driveshaft shop they seemed to think the CV joint was more to help non-optimum trans and pinion alignment. To be honest I suspect a CV joint would help even a stock Marauder as the u-joint moves up and down as it rotates.

Honestly I don't even remember WHY we we that way......I just told them what length I needed, and they made the recommendation. My angles are all set good, right around 3 degrees at trans and rear pinion. I'm sure that was part of the cost, I have an adapter that takes the rzeppa joint to a standard 4 bolt ford yoke at the trans end.

I will note, however, that the centering hole in the middle of the yoke on the trans, is much larger than the traditional rear pinion yoke is. This must have been a change on the Mustangs/F150's. There is no way you could use a traditional 4 bolt rear end style yoke, on the 6 speed auto flange.

justbob

10-10-2015, 01:22 PM

Honestly I don't even remember WHY we we that way......I just told them what length I needed, and they made the recommendation. My angles are all set good, right around 3 degrees at trans and rear pinion. I'm sure that was part of the cost, I have an adapter that takes the rzeppa joint to a standard 4 bolt ford yoke at the trans end.

I will note, however, that the centering hole in the middle of the yoke on the trans, is much larger than the traditional rear pinion yoke is. This must have been a change on the Mustangs/F150's. There is no way you could use a traditional 4 bolt rear end style yoke, on the 6 speed auto flange.

Your welcome. [emoji4]

You went with one due to your fixed flanged output shaft.

According to Frank @ TDSS the CV is also capable of handling up to 8* pinion angle, but that wasn't the needed cause for yours (I assume) or mine. Mine is less than 1/2* from stock.

Builder Of Badassery

lifespeed

10-10-2015, 04:19 PM

You went with one due to your fixed flanged output shaft.

According to Frank @ TDSS the CV is also capable of handling up to 8* pinion angle, but that wasn't the needed cause for yours (I assume) or mine. Mine is less than 1/2* from stock.

Does the CV joint itself take up the axial movement of the driveshaft (like a front wheel drive) with suspension travel, or is it the adapter?

Why did you get a CV vs U-joint, 1/2* difference in alignment of the trans shaft and pinion? Or are they smoother than a U-joint even with perfect alignment?

I got some slightly conflicting information from TDSS about this, that CV joints weren't always needed.

justbob

10-10-2015, 06:01 PM

Yes. This shaft was designed to replace two piece ones on the GT500's where they rely on a telescoping one with a carrier.

Also, most or all? of the cars that has the TR6060 (mine) have independent rear suspension were the diff doesn't move. I needed something that would allow movement besides a telescoping POS.

Seeing his also having a fixed flange output I immediately shared my results so he wouldn't suffer the consequences like I went through.

Builder Of Badassery

96gt4.6

10-11-2015, 10:04 AM

lifespeed

10-11-2015, 10:47 AM

justbob

10-11-2015, 01:13 PM

http://www.claybuccellato.com/pictures/Marauder_axle/The-Most-Interesting-Man-In-The-World.jpg

Lol

Saved..

Builder Of Badassery

chief455

10-15-2015, 07:18 PM

Alan - Congrats! your Marauder is CVN 'Panther Of The Month!

http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

deservedly so :bows:

96gt4.6

10-16-2015, 06:27 AM

Alan - Congrats! your Marauder is CVN 'Panther Of The Month!

http://www.crownvic.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php

deservedly so :bows:

Thank you! And thank you to all that voted for me! It's something I had hoped to receive the honor of ever since I've owned a Panther back with the Vic, so it's a great moment indeed!

The 'ole girl did her last car show for the year last weekend:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20151011_095709_zps3b3nzpph.jp g

Now it's on to a little down time, then we start on the turbo kit fabrication. I'm assuming by my rough time frame that around mid/late December I will get under way.

Making some dragstrip passes this evening, with the cool October air coming in, our corrected Density Altitude here usually drops below our 1800 ft actual altitude and makes for some good run times.

I'm hoping for mid 13's at 104-105 at the end of the evening. I would be happy to end out the N/A portion of this setup with that. I will post the results later this evening with some video.

96gt4.6

10-17-2015, 06:37 AM

Well the final race of the year yielded a good time! I ended out running 13.70-13.75 all evening. MPH stayed the same at 103, however the 60' was in the 2.1's all evening, which I was happy with.

The tune was kept the same as last time, as I believe it's about as optimal as I can get it. Timing is 26 degrees and WOT lambda is .830. I am using the stock Mustang VCT cam timing still as well. Last time out, I experimented with some different VCT tables some friends were so kind as to provide, however it did not seem to change my E/T or MPH any, and all combos react different so that's probably a lot of it with me having a lower compression truck motor.

I'm pleased with the results, and so ends the N/A portion of this build. I plan to get to work around early December on the turbo setup. Going to take the time to start that swap thread and compile all the pictures and video over the next couple of months as well.

:burnout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DfQwS7FnPc

chief455

10-17-2015, 06:58 AM

justbob

10-17-2015, 08:02 AM

I think VCT is awesome. To be able to tune for just the sound of Lopey cams is amazing.

God I miss my cams!

Builder Of Badassery

Joe Walsh

10-17-2015, 08:02 AM

Like all 3.55 N/A Marauders....she's a dog outta the hole...
but man does she sound sweet once that Coyote is wound up!!.....:bows:

Looking forward to your sick turbo build.
You won't need a lot of gear with the turbo's awesome torque.

walt460

10-18-2015, 05:34 AM

Fastbob

10-18-2015, 06:05 AM

Well the final race of the year yielded a good time! I ended out running 13.70-13.75 all evening. MPH stayed the same at 103, however the 60' was in the 2.1's all evening, which I was happy with.

The tune was kept the same as last time, as I believe it's about as optimal as I can get it. Timing is 26 degrees and WOT lambda is .830. I am using the stock Mustang VCT cam timing still as well. Last time out, I experimented with some different VCT tables some friends were so kind as to provide, however it did not seem to change my E/T or MPH any, and all combos react different so that's probably a lot of it with me having a lower compression truck motor.

I'm pleased with the results, and so ends the N/A portion of this build. I plan to get to work around early December on the turbo setup. Going to take the time to start that swap thread and compile all the pictures and video over the next couple of months as well.

:burnout:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DfQwS7FnPcAlan, very impressive! 13.7 for a car as heavy as the Marauder is from basically a stock power plant is remarkable.

MMBLUE

10-18-2015, 08:48 AM

96gt4.6

10-19-2015, 06:53 AM

You should be getting paid as a professional R&D tech builder and writer. Awesome, excellently written thread, and can't wait for your summary to be a sticky thread for future swaps.
This is how you do it! :beer:

Haha, if only I could land a job to where this is all I do and make the same or better living, that would be a dream come true! Thanks!

I think VCT is awesome. To be able to tune for just the sound of Lopey cams is amazing.

God I miss my cams!

Builder Of Badassery

I agree, NOTHING beats a nice choppity choppity chop idle! I have the tables for the fabled 'ghost cam' tune for the 5.0L, but have yet to mess with it, as it literally just adds a nasty idle. I figured if it idiled like that, people would then ask why it runs like a stock setup but has cams...haha.

Like all 3.55 N/A Marauders....she's a dog outta the hole...
but man does she sound sweet once that Coyote is wound up!!.....:bows:

Looking forward to your sick turbo build.
You won't need a lot of gear with the turbo's awesome torque.

Thank you! And I agree, if this was staying N/A, a nice stall and set of 4.10's would be a HUGE compliment, and probably get her into the 12's. I'm anticipating the 3.55's or possibly some 3.27's will be in order after the turbo setup. I had 3.27's in the Vic, and it seemed to be just about right, but we shall see!

Has there been any news on turning the 2011-2014 PATS system off?

Walt, i'm shipping the computer back out to Eric today. He had requested it a few weeks ago, but I wanted to get to some car shows and finish out this last race before I disabled the car. We'll know next week if he can get it done this time. He claims, that he has done a few at this point and it is successful.

Alan, very impressive! 13.7 for a car as heavy as the Marauder is from basically a stock power plant is remarkable.

Thank you! I'm very pleased with the outcome thus far as well!

BRAVO. Excellent. I love the sound of the coyote vs the 4.6. Nicely done Sir.

Thank you sir! Looking forward to moving onto the next portion of this build!

walt460

10-22-2015, 06:29 AM

96gt4.6

10-22-2015, 07:27 AM

Alan, I have another contact that claims Eric was able to remove pats from his 2012 PCM, so I expect he will be successful with yours this time. This ability is not built into HP's tuning software yet, but most likely will be added soon. It should open up a lot more applications of the 5.0L Coyote with the 6R80.

Thanks for the update Walt!

Mine is scheduled to be in Eric's hands by Friday according to the tracking number. He said 2 day turn around, so I'm hoping to have it back in a week or two at this point.

Once they get the bypass procedure integrated into the VCM scanner, they will have gold for the Coyote guys indeed!

babbage

10-22-2015, 09:05 AM

Well the final race of the year yielded a good time! I ended out running 13.70-13.75 all evening. MPH stayed the same at 103, however the 60' was in the 2.1's all evening, which I was happy with.

Great Job, nice results. I feel good about my time of 13.8@99 N/A with the stock MM engine. Thought you'd be lower for sure. Your MPH of 103 shows more HP than I have now for sure... The big tell will be with the turbos, and custom dyno tune. I'm guessing 11.5..

Sweet project results!

Zack

10-22-2015, 09:13 AM

96gt4.6

10-22-2015, 09:22 AM

Great Job, nice results. I feel good about my time of 13.8@99 N/A with the stock MM engine. Thought you'd be lower for sure. Your MPH of 103 shows more HP than I have now for sure... The big tell will be with the turbos, and custom dyno tune. I'm guessing 11.5..

Sweet project results!

It is nice to see some of the stock Marauder numbers vs. the Coyote, it helps assess the swap for those that might be considering it vs. playing with the stock motor.

Might I ask, what was the altitude above sea level, or perhaps the name of the drag strip you ran at? This will allow us to compare on the same scale, and take the altitude offset out of the equation.

96gt4.6

10-22-2015, 09:44 AM

If he goes 11.5 with a Coyote and twin turbos he should burn the car to the ground

I'd keep your marsh mellows handy Zach!

I'm not looking to set the world on fire with the turbo right out of the gate. In all honesty, if this thing can out trap my turbo Chevy Crown Vic project, I'll be perfectly happy! It ran 123 mph through the traps on 14 psi and 50/50 pump 91/VP100 in the tank. Conservative at 10 degrees timing and 11.0 AFR.

I'm not really into setting records, my budget and simply having to repair broken parts isn't something I really prefer to do.

But, it may surprise even myself when completed!

justbob

10-22-2015, 10:56 AM

If he goes 11.5 with a Coyote and twin turbos he should burn the car to the ground

No doubt. I would leave the go fast table running and never look back.

Builder Of Badassery

96gt4.6

10-23-2015, 06:22 AM

Carried over from crownvic.net, I'm too lazy to re-type it all!

Honestly though, I was in no way disappointed with it by any means. Corrected to sea level, that's a 13.49@105.35.

NHRA correction factors for my track: http://www.nhra.com/competition/altitude.aspx

The Vic in the video that shows the factory cluster working, has a Ford Racing Control Pack, true Mustang engine, and is around 500 lbs lighter than me, and had a trap speed of 104. Out of courtesy, I won't post his slip, that's not my place. His is a T-45 equipped unit.

Considering every Mustang GT I've seen run at our strip, is a mid 13 sec car in auto form (all stock), i'm right where I should be for my weight (4400 lbs with driver), Engine (F150 10.5:1 CR, Mustang Intake Cams), and completely stock, full Marauder exhaust including mufflers (which is true dual 2" vs. the factory Coyote true dual 2.25"). Initially, I had thought about giving it a shot and doing up the exhaust right, deeper gear and better stall to really give the Coyote justice in N/A form, but with jumping right into the turbo build here shortly, that would have been time and money wasted so there is no point.

Unfortunately, people only focus on the end results no matter the details that can alter them. It is what it is in stock form, and i'm in no way disappointed given the listed mods and weight. That's a substantial gain over the stock 4v.

Boost is coming, and at that time we can place our bets as that's the end goal here. One game changer for this setup vs my Turbo Chevy vic will be that, the stock 6R80 can have a trans brake with 3 simple relays and some tune work as demonstrated here (thanks for the heads up on this Cameronvic!): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atma-QGHbGA

It's only the beginning, there is more to come guys.

It is what it is guys, I offer no excuses, and don't feel as if I'm out of the realm of where I need to be given the circumstances and my location.

It's all good, not going for the fastest here, I don't have the budget, skill or time for such things.

That being said, let the roasting continue :P

MOTOWN

10-23-2015, 06:46 AM

Carried over from crownvic.net, I'm too lazy to re-type it all!

It is what it is guys, I offer no excuses, and don't feel as if I'm out of the realm of where I need to be given the circumstances and my location.

It's all good, not going for the fastest here, I don't have the budget, skill or time for such things.

That being said, let the roasting continue :P

I agree with you , i could care less about a time slip! My goal was over 700 at the wheels, and excellent driveabilty.

babbage

10-23-2015, 09:59 AM

It is nice to see some of the stock Marauder numbers vs. the Coyote, it helps assess the swap for those that might be considering it vs. playing with the stock motor.

Might I ask, what was the altitude above sea level, or perhaps the name of the drag strip you ran at? This will allow us to compare on the same scale, and take the altitude offset out of the equation.

600FT - Lebanon Valley Drags. The MM engine is stock, but I have (everything else N/A) LT, CAI, Exhaust, ported lower, tbody, underdrives, gears (3.73) - Torque converter, dyno tuned. Still yours is very impressive for using the stock f150 ecu... 12s N/A easy with a TC and Dyno Tune.

96gt4.6

10-23-2015, 11:31 AM

I agree with you , i could care less about a time slip! My goal was over 700 at the wheels, and excellent driveabilty.

Driveability, and full integration are paramount on any build, to me as well. Hopefully, I can get a respectable ET out of the 'ole girl on boost, but most certainly am not looking for a 'record breaker'. My old vic trapped 123, which is a 10 sec capable MPH easily, yet ran 12.0. Not ideally setup for drag racing, as she was slow out of the gate, but the car was more ideal for street use, as you trapped that of a 10 sec car, but could launch on the street as you had the 60' of a 12 second car. The goals, are similar for this build, but only time will tell where it goes.

600FT - Lebanon Valley Drags. The MM engine is stock, but I have (everything else N/A) LT, CAI, Exhaust, ported lower, tbody, underdrives, gears (3.73) - Torque converter, dyno tuned. Still yours is very impressive for using the stock f150 ecu... 12s N/A easy with a TC and Dyno Tune.

Looks like the 4v responds to mods decently. Correcting my bone stock Marauder 4v run down to your altitude, comes up with:

15.27@92.30

This is also assuming the corrected altitude was equal to your actual altitude at the time of the run, and not actually lower or below sea level. We sometimes get that here and experience 'hail mary' runs, with one evening producing an 800 ft corrected D/A, unfortunately we haven't seen those in a while.

That puts a setup with your mods at 6.7 MPH and 1.47 seconds the quicker. Do you have a stock time slip at the same drag strip before your mods? You can see how the stall in your combo really sucks the E/T down where it should be for your MPH. High 13's usually takes mid/high 90's trap speed.

I really would love to put a stall in this car, get the factory Marauder exhaust replaced with something more suiting (for that matter something that is AT LEAST the same size as the stock Coyote exhaust diameter), and get the stock mufflers out of the picture just to see how she does.

But, that's literally money wasted with the entire exhaust getting re done here shortly.

To hit the 103 MPH on 4400lbs, it need to be in the realm of 380 RWHP. Most Auto Mustang's I see with tune/exhaust are getting around 400 RWHP on the Coyote. Given my .5 lower compression ratio, and smaller stock exhaust (2" vs. 2.5"), I agree, the numbers don't look that bad.

It's simply the stigma of people comparing the end result which is the E/T ran at altitude, with E/T's ran at sea level, or on vehicles that are more setup for their purpose (N/A V. Forced Induction).

None the less, it's nice to see what the older 4v can do! It just simply wasn't right for me as an end product, as most everyone here said the stock 4v.....gets weak around 500 HP. With everything done proper, we should be able to get around 7-800 flywheel out of the Coyote in stock form.

Joe Walsh

10-23-2015, 01:36 PM

No need to defend yourself.....ya gotta love the 2V CV wankers talking trash about how slow your bone stock Coyote runs!

Yeah....If you pour money into a 2V it'll run quick enough....until the stock motor blows up.
Then you can start spending more money on a stout forged short block and ported 2V heads and a new intake manifold and .... :blah: .... :blah: .... :blah:

Almost all bone stock Marauders ran low to mid 15s .... a few rare exceptions ran high 14s.
You are 1+ second quicker already with a bone stock Coyote 5.0L.

As you said:
The stock Coyote will eat boost all day and live on for much more fun!

Can't wait for you to hang a set of hair dryers on that Coyote!!!

justbob

10-23-2015, 01:47 PM

Jealousy is the ultimate *****..

Builder Of Badassery

babbage

10-24-2015, 05:40 AM

Again awesome project. I think if you added a better torque converter it'd be 12's n/a easy..

But, cant wait for the turbos, do you have a mock up of what you want it to look like - Did you see Senecas thread?

96gt4.6

10-26-2015, 06:20 AM

Thank you sir, and apologies if I came off a little rough there.....sometimes it's hard for me to switch mindsets from Forum to Forum.....

I don't believe I've seen that particular thread! I will take a peek, any ideas are helpful.

The plans at this time are the same as I did on my Vic, this video will give some illustration to that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4_nimv50s

Zack

10-26-2015, 06:30 AM

Zack

10-26-2015, 06:31 AM

96gt4.6

10-26-2015, 07:01 AM

Building a twin turbo kit in a Marauder engine bay is ridiculously difficult.
Do what Seneca Did

I agree. With all the A/C equipment on the passenger side, it would be a complete headache to say the least. I've never really contemplated twins on this build....have always been pretty much set on a single setup. The kit will be the same as my Vic was, as show in this video here, as well as the link in my last post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHznW9ORGNM

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1441919&postcount=134

Thanks for the link. I will take a look, and see what if any changes to my current design layout I will make.

Zack

10-26-2015, 07:05 AM

Here is my Turbo Build thread

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91755

96gt4.6

10-26-2015, 07:39 AM

Here is my Turbo Build thread

http://www.mercurymarauder.net/forums/showthread.php?t=91755

Thanks Zack. I will take a bit to read it when I get some sit down time!

Walt,

Eric has confirmed the EPATS is disabled now, the ECU is going in the mail for the return trip today. I will know this coming weekend if it was truly successful, and report.

sailsmen

10-26-2015, 08:12 AM

Temp/Humidity can add .75 seconds from fastest to slowest.

The benefit of running at the track is a wide open run from a stop in a controlled environment while being measured with a consistent clock.

96gt4.6

10-30-2015, 03:58 PM

This one's for you Walt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbXYFjyS2o

96gt4.6

10-31-2015, 06:41 AM

this thread must be highest read on site.
I would love, and fully expect, this to pioneer to a swap kit down the road.
A 2015 435fhp take out from a Mustang should be tried soon.....
good job you ground breakers! :beer:

We are over 1/2 way to the Eaton Swap Thread views at this point, and being as this site is the home for this car/build, every external link I post comes to this thread, not to mention we got major attention thanks to the StangTV article and link!

walt460

11-05-2015, 08:57 AM

This one's for you Walt!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMbXYFjyS2o

Thanks for the validation! Great to know Eric really can do it, many others have failed.

I was at SEMA this week and confirmed with another buddy that Eric has done his Mustang Manual Trans PCM successfully.

Also at SEMA, Hotwire has a wiring harness in the New Product Display, display case #544, that is for the Coyote with the 6R80. It replaces the engine harness and the trans harness and gives you all the connections you need to make the 5.0L/6R80 run in any car. I really like that they provided for the PCM to still run the Fuel Pump and cooling fans. They will custom make this harness to match your vehicle layout (wire lengths), and the price is about $1100.

With HP Tuners now being able to turn PATS off, and wiring harnesses from Hotwire, we should see a boom in Coyote/6R80 installs!

Walt

96gt4.6

11-09-2015, 07:55 AM

Awesome! Thanks for the heads up Walt!

Indeed, it doesn't seem long and the 6R80 will be common place in swaps, as well as being able to use salvage pullouts!

I was finally able to get the other Coyote swapped Vic down for some work this weekend, that was a pretty cool car! He's really tidied up the swap, and the grainy video that's on YouTube does it no justice. The car in clean inside, and all put back together. It's actually not a bad setup, and the installation is pretty good. he made the 5 speed look like it belongs in there!

Here's the video demonstrating my integration with the stock '06 CAN Network Vic cluster to the Coyote ecu. Full functionality!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8pKKDKYBjk

two Coyote's, same chassis. Crazy how close we live to each other:

http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Alan_Ledesma/The%20Marauder/20151107_174855_zpszedqkwcm.jp g

crownvic05

11-11-2015, 07:18 AM

96gt4.6

11-13-2015, 07:39 PM

Just curious, how much did a paint job like that cost you? Its a very beautiful job

Thank you.

I believe, supplies and all was just under 2k, but i'd have to review my build sheet.

Of course that's with all labor completely free.